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tataludwig75
28.05.2007, 18:01
Hello, who wants to speak about piano competition ?
So, I'm french, and my english is very poor... :oops:
Actually, I'm looking to the "reine elizabeth competition". http://www.concours-reine-elisabeth.be/fr/actu.php
What do you think about Plamena Mangova ? And François Dumont ?
So long,

Tataludwig

Сергей
28.05.2007, 22:17
Hello, who wants to speak about piano competition ?
So, I'm french, and my english is very poor... :oops:
Actually, I'm looking to the "reine elizabeth competition". http://www.concours-reine-elisabeth.be/fr/actu.php
What do you think about Plamena Mangova ? And François Dumont ?
So long,

TataludwigDear Ludwig (Louis?), actually this section of the forum is dedicated only to the coming Tchaikovsky competition. :-) If you are looking for a thread where we discuss the Brussels competition, it is here (http://www.forumklassika.ru/showthread.php?t=15212). Normally only Russian is used, however if you ask in English, chances are that someone will answer you. :-) Good luck! ;-)

tataludwig75
29.05.2007, 02:05
Thanks, Сергей.

boris
29.05.2007, 02:59
Since this is the only section of the forum, where English is allowed, you may try to discuss it here. Cos if English will transfer to other sections, it will be hard to control things. Thus we'll se - if we get too many English-speaking users, we might think of creating more sections for them.

domingo196
04.06.2007, 18:26
I am trilled to have the chance to discuss this up coming competition in English. I went to the Reine Elizabeth and LOVED IT (and also broke my budget), so; i would like to know if this competition will be brodcast via de internet. Can someone please advice. Thank you. Jose from Poland.
I also would like to say that I did not like any of the RUssians at the Reine Elizabeth. I hope this was because the REAL RUSSIANS were preparing for the big one. Best.

tataludwig75
04.06.2007, 18:35
I am trilled to have the chance to discuss this up coming competition in English. I went to the Reine Elizabeth and LOVED IT (and also broke my budget), so; i would like to know if this competition will be brodcast via de internet. Can someone please advice. Thank you. Jose from Poland.
I also would like to say that I did not like any of the RUssians at the Reine Elizabeth. I hope this was because the REAL RUSSIANS were preparing for the big one. Best.
Yes. Here : http://www.cmireb.be/video/video-session.php

Who was the pianist of the competition you prefer ? Not the russians, but... ? What about Mangova Plamena? Did-you like the Mozart'sonata of François Dumont ?

Dominique, from Paris

boris
05.06.2007, 05:58
I guess the question concerned the Tchaikovsky competition rather than QE. I am quite sure there won't be any video broadcast. I told them it was wrong but still. Unless they change their mind right before the beginning of the competition.

Though there definitely will be audio broadcast. Technicaly it will be the responsibility of Russian "Radio Culture". The exact URL for the broadcast has not been annonced yet. I will post it as soon as I find it out myself.

tataludwig75
05.06.2007, 11:52
Thanks a lot, Boris.

boris
08.06.2007, 03:34
Russian TV channel "Culture" plans to broadcast the violin competition. There is also radio "Culture" that was announcing some months ago that they plan to setup an audio broadcast. Though I still have no idea if they are actually going to do that. On saturday I will be visiting the press center for the competition and will try to ask them. If I don't forget and if they will be in the mood to answer. 8)

domingo196
10.06.2007, 01:04
Boris - Thank you very much. I regret not to be able to be in Russia to enjoythe competition and will try to listen to the radio, if the radio has aninternet signal. If not, I will see if I can buy the DVD from the company who produces them, at least in other competitions we could buy Videos and DVD. But who know what is going to happen this year.

domingo196
11.06.2007, 12:12
Good moring to you all. Any news about the Internet Brodcasting of the COmpetition. Any of the competitions. Vilin, Piano or Cello or Voice? Thank you JOSE

boris
12.06.2007, 04:39
Not quite sure if Tchaikovsky competition plans to sell DVD's right away. As well as I do not have any exact info converning internet broadcasts. I will try to get this info on wednesday. Sorry to be so unspecific, guys - but its really not so easy to find out this kind of stuff here.

Be sure to check the official site (http://www.xiiitc.ru) too though - there might appear some interesting info too from time to time. Though I will try to be quicker with posting the piano results here. 8)

domingo196
12.06.2007, 19:22
Dear Boris. YOu do NOT have to appologize for anything. We are greateful for your information in English. It is only that we are ALL very ansious to enjoy the competition. WHen you have the info I know you will post it. In the meantime, I will see if I can find a radio to listen to it, in case they do it over the radio. Ciao Jose

domingo196
13.06.2007, 10:00
OK INFORMATION ON INTERNET BRODCASTING: I rang the Press Office today. I spoke with a lady called NIDA and she told me that it will be brodcast thanks to the Moscow Times and it starts today at 18:30. We shall see.

Irynka
13.06.2007, 10:13
That is great! But what about the competition itself ? As I know it's suppose to be The Opening at 18:30...
But anyway we'll see what is going to be tomorrow :).
Thanks a lot for the information!!!!!

laurenttremolieres
13.06.2007, 20:26
Dear Irina and Domingo
Could you tell me if and how will be possible to listen to the first round of the piano competition, by internet or with a radio by internet?
Thanks a lot

Irynka
13.06.2007, 21:57
I am curious about the same thing...I heard there is violin section broadcasting but nothing like that about piano... unfortunately :(
As soon as I'll figure out something I'll let you know.
keep in touch

laurenttremolieres
14.06.2007, 00:19
ok
Thanks a lot
i would like particulary to listen the 17th in the afternoon
if you will know something, let me know

Laurent

boris
14.06.2007, 03:05
Hello, guys. Till the last minute there was no exact information concerning the piano broadcast. As of now, we know that there gonna be a broadcast of the piano auditions (mms://video.corbina.tv/m). The last resort was the Moscow cable networks provider - Corbina telecom. Thanks to them and to the unknown journalist at the morning press conference, who mentioned that there was a video broadcast from the Richter competition two years earlier. 8)

So try to connec using the link above or visit the English version of the official site to find out the link to the broadcast. It should be there.

I can't find the link to broadcasr of the violin section at the site of the Russian Culture TV. Probably, they will pst it later. Anyway, tomorrow everything will be totally clear.

Please do not forget to start a new thread concerning any aspect of the competition. Thank you in advance.

theProject
14.06.2007, 04:11
Greetings to everybody from Canada!

Unfortunately the link to Corbina doesn't seem to work at the moment, and I hope it picks up before the start of the piano competition! I do, however, have the link to (what appears to be) the violin broadcast, from the main website: mms://video.rfn.ru/XIII

Looking forward to hearing and discussing the competition,
Eugene

boris
14.06.2007, 13:27
Unfortunately it will start working today at 3 p.m. Moscow time. Its 1.30 p.m. in Moscow now. This is due to some technical issues. So check this link from time to time - they are going to start broadcasting soon.

tataludwig75
14.06.2007, 20:17
great to see the competition, but how to know who is playing ?
Thanks for the link, Boris.

boris
14.06.2007, 20:25
They announce the names and programs before the competitor starts playing.

Also, there should be detailed schedule on the official site. If its there, I will try to copy it here tonight.

Finally, just now I called to the press center and asked if they can make Corvina put the titles above the picture. The found it a nice idea and will find out tomorrow if its possible.

tataludwig75
14.06.2007, 20:34
Formidable.
On the official site, I just have founded the list of concurrents and the schedule :
PIANOThe Contestants, who are admitted to the Competition:
1. Wunder Ingolf Austria
2. Shleenkov Daniil Belarus
3. Benjamin Moser Germany
4. Liu Xin China
5. Tianyang Wang China
6. Wang Jue China
7. Chen John New Zealand
8. Borek Katarzyna Poland
9. Amirov Fedor Russia
10 Andreev Alexander Russia
11.Babanov Elisey Russia
12. Gulyak Sofia Russia
13 Evstukhin Denis Russia
14. Karpukhova Eleonora Russia
15. Kozlova Olga Russia
16. Kolesnikov Pavel Russia
17. Kolesova Tatiana Russia
18. Kuznetsov Sergei Russia
19. Kultyshev Miroslav Russia
20.Korobeinikov Andrey Russia
21. Lubyantsev Alexander Russia
22. Mazhara Nikolay Russia
23. Mazo Maria Russia
24. Mutuzkin Alexander Russia
25. Sobolev Sergei Russia
26. Tessman Tatiana Russia
27. Chentsov Mikhail Russia
28. Shilyaev Mikhail Russia
29. Chernichka Tatiana Russia
30. Anikushin Maxim USA
31. Yen Chun-Chien Taiwan, China
32. Nadzhafova Dinara Ukraine
33. Shelest Anna USA
34. Salov Serhiy Ukraine
35. Zahharenkova Irina Estonia
36. Dong Hyek Lim South Korea
37. Sunghoon Hwang South Korea
38. Kim Sung Hoon South Korea
39. Lee Jinsang South Korea
40. Lee Jung-Eun South Korea
41. Sohn Minsoo South Korea
42. Youn Hong-Chun South Korea
43. Kikuchi Yusuke Japan
44. Sakiya Akihiro Japan
45. Kawamura Fumio Japan
46. Sekiya Maki Japan
47. Yamamoto Akiko Japan
48.Numasawa Yoshito Japan
Piano competition schedule
June 13 – The Opening of the Competition at 18:00, The Concert
(The Grand Hall of the Moscow State Conservatory)
12:00 – the Sortition, from 13.30 – acoustic rehearsals
June14–18 – I Round of the Piano Competition
(The Grand Hall of the Moscow State Conservatory)
June 19 – Day off
June 20–24 – II Round of the Piano Competition
(The Grand Hall of the Moscow State Conservatory)
June 25 – The Journey to Klin
June 26 – The orchestra rehearsals of the III Round

I Round of the Piano Competition
(The Grand Hall of the Moscow State Conservatory)
June 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 10:00–14:15 and 17:00–21.15
June 19 – Day off
II Round of the Piano Competition
(The Grand Hall of the Moscow State Conservatory)
June 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 11:00–14:30 and 19:00 – 21:30
June 25 – The Journey to Klin
June 26 – The orchestra rehearsals
III Round of the Piano Competition
(The Grand Hall of the Moscow State Conservatory)
June 27, 28, 29 19.00: 21.30
June 30 – The Closing of the Competition at 18:00, the Concert
(The Grand Hall of the Moscow State Conservatory)
In total – 25 concerts

беглец с ноева ковчега
14.06.2007, 20:54
they perform in an absolutely different order.

here it is:

1.Шлеенков Даниил (Белоруссия)
2.Коробейников Андрей (Россия)
3.Jue Wang (Китай)
4.Sakiya Akihiro(Россия)
5.Андреев Александр (Россия)
6.Шелест Анна (США)
7.Lim Dong Hyek (Республика Корея)
8.Ten Chum-Chien (Тайвань)
9.Кузнецов Сергей (Россия)
10.Wunder Ingolf (Австрия)
11.Козлова Ольга (Россия)
12. Наджафова Динара(Украина)
13.Chien John (Новая Зеландия)
14.Колесников Павел (Россия)
15.Мазо Мария (Россия)
16.Yamamoto Akiko (Япония)
17.Лубянцев Александр (Россия0
18.Sunghoon Hwang (Республика Корея)
19.Jung Eun Lee(Республика Корея)
20.Xin Liu (Китай)
21.Аникушин Максим (США)
22.Карпухова Элионора (Россия)
23.Kikuchi Yusuke (Япония)
24.Шиляев Михаил (Россия)
25.Sekiya Maki (Япония)
26.Numasawa Yoshito(Япония)
27.Kawamura Fumio(Япония)
28.Тессман Татьяна (Россия)
29.Евстюхин Денис(Россия)
30.Култышев Мирослав (Россия)
31.Колесова Татьяна (Россия)
32.Соболев Сергей (Россия)
33.Moser Benjamin (Германия)
34.Borek Katarzyna (Польша)
35.Ченцов Михаил (Россия)
36.Митузкин Александр (Россия)
37.Бабанов Елисей (Россия)
38.Мажара Николай(Россия)
39.Kim Sung Hoon(Республика Корея0
40.Амиров Федор(Россия)
41.Sohn Minsoo (Республика Корея)
42.Wang Tianyang (Китай)
43.Черничка Татьяна (Россия)
44.Lee Jinsang(Республика Корея)
45.Zaharenkova Irina(Эстония)
46.Салов Сергей (Украина)

And the daily performance pattern is as follows:

5-5
5-4
5-4
5-4
5-4

tataludwig75
14.06.2007, 21:05
Thanks. Here the list in english :
Results of the sortition:
1.Shleenkov Danil(Belarus)
2.Korobeinikov Andrey (Russia)
3.Jue Wang (China)
4.Sakiya Akihiro(Russia)
5.Andreev Alexander (Russia)
6.Shekest Anna (USA)
7.Lim Dong Hyek (Republic of Korea)
8.Ten Chum-Chien (Taiwan)
9.Kuznezov Sergey(Russia)
10.Wunder Ingolf (Austria)
11.Kozlova Olga(Russia)
12.Nadjafova Dinara (Ukraine)
13.Chien John (New Zelande)
14.Kolesnikov Pavel(Russia)
15.Mazo Maria(Russia)
16.Yamamoto Akiko (Japan)
17.Lubianzev Alexander (Russia)
18.Sunghoon Hwang (Republic of Korea)
19.Jung Eun Lee(Republic of Korea)
20.Xin Liu (China)
21.Anikushin Maxim (USA)
22.Karpuhova Elionora (Russia)
23.Kikuchi Yusuke (Japan)
24.Shiliaev Mihail (Russia)
25.Sekiya Maki (Japan)
26.Numasawa Yoshito(Japan)
27.Kawamura Fumio(Japan)
28.Tessman Tatiana(Russia)
29.Evstuhin Denis(Russia)
30.Kultishev Miroslav(Russia)
31.Kolesova Tatiana (Russia)
32.Sobolev Sergey(Russia)
33.Moser Benjamin (Germany)
34.Borek Katarzyna (Poland)
35.Chenzov Mihail (Russia)
36.Mituzkin Alexander (Russia)
37.Babanov Elisey (Russia)
38.Mazgara Nikolay(Russia)
39.Kim Sung Hoon(Republic of Korea)
40.Amirov Fedor(Russia)
41.Sohn Minsoo (Republic of Korea)
42.Wang Tianyang (China)
43.Chernichka Tattiana (Russia)
44.Lee Jinsang(Republic of Korea)
45.Zaharenkova Irina(Estonia)
46.Salov Sergey (Ukraine)

Performance schedule I tour
14 JUNE, MORNING
TIME № PARTICIPANT COUNTRY
10.00 № 1 Shleenkov Daniil Belarus
10.45 № 2 Korobeynikov Andrey Russia
11.30 № 3 Wang Jue China
12.15 – 12.45 – Break
12.45 № 4 Sakiya Akihiro Japan
13.30 № 5 Andreev Alexander Russia

14 JUNE, EVENING
17.00 № 6 Shelest Anna USA
17.45 № 7 Lim Dong Hyek South Korea
18.15 № 8 Yen Chun-Chien Taiwan, China
19.30 – 20.00 – Break
20.00 № 9 Kuznetsov Sergey Russia
20.45 № 10 Wunder Ingolf Austria

15 JUNE, EVENING
10.00 № 11 Kozlova Olga Russia
10.45 № 12 Nadzhafova Dinara Russia
11.30 № 13 Chen John New Zeland
12.15 – 12.45 – Break
12.45 № 14 Kolesnikov Pavel Russia
13.30 № 15 Mazo Maria Russia

15 JUNE, EVENING
17.00 № 16 Yamamoto Akiko Japan
17.45 № 17 Lubyantsev Alexander Russia
18.30 – 19.00 – Break
19.00 № 18 Hwang Sunghoon South Korea
19.45 № 19 Lee Jung-Eun South Korea

16 JUNE, MORNING
10.00 № 20 Xin Liu China
10.45 № 21 Anikushin Maxim USA
11.30 № 22 Karpuhova Eleonora Russia
12.15 – 12.45 – Break
12.45 № 23 Kikuchi Yusuke Japan
13.30 № 24 Silyaev Mihail Russia

16 JUNE, EVENING
17.00 № 25 Sekiya Maki Japan
17.45 № 26 Numasawa Yoshito Japan
18.30 – 19.00 – Break
19.00 № 27 Kawamura Fumio Japan
19.45 № 28 Tessman Tatiana Japan

17 JUNE, MORNING
10.00 № 29 Evstuhin Denis Russia
10.45 № 30 Kultyshev Miroslav Russia
11.30 № 31 Kolesova Tatiana Russia
12.15 – 12.45 – Break
12.45 № 32 Sobolev Sergey Russia
13.30 № 33 Moser Benjamin Germany

17 JUNE, EVENING
17.00 № 34 Borek Katarzyna Poland
17.45 № 35 Chentsov Mihail Russia
18.30 – 19.00 – Break
19.00 № 36 Mutuzkin Alexander Russia
19.45 № 37 Babanov Elisey Russia

18 JUNE, MORNING
10.00 № 38 Mazhara Nikolay Russia
10.45 № 39 Kim Sung Hoon South Korea
11.30 № 40 Amirov Fedor Russia
12.15 – 12.45 – Break
12.45 № 41 Sohn Minsoo South Korea
13.30 № 42 Wang Tianyang China

18 JUNE, EVENING
17.00 № 43 Chernichka Tatiana Russia
17.45 № 44 Lee Jinsang South Korea
18.30 – 19.00 – Break
19.00 № 45 Zahharenkova Irina Estonia
19.45 № 46 Salov Serhiy Ukraine

laurenttremolieres
15.06.2007, 14:50
Boris, Thank you a million times!!!!
It IS working the link to the piano competition..
Thanks

domingo196
15.06.2007, 16:13
THank you Boris. You are terrific. I am enjoying the PIANO and VIOLIN at the same time. I cannot belive it. My house is full of music. Jose. The Violinists from Russia today, the one who plaed 2 (do not know his name) is one of the most promising violinist I have ever heard. Russian, of course.

boris
15.06.2007, 16:16
Thank you, guys, but I have to mention that its not me who organises broadcasting. I just collect links for you. 8)

Domingo, the name of the violinist you have heard is probably Nikita Borisoglebsky. He is really a good player. Though he played third as far as I am concerned.

tataludwig75
16.06.2007, 20:24
Thank you for collect links for us, Boris !
I enjoy to see the competition ! moscou live ! Wouahhh !

laurenttremolieres
17.06.2007, 18:42
what did you think of Katarzyna Borek(the polish competitior)?

domingo196
18.06.2007, 00:26
Piano competitiion in General: Well, we are into the 4 or 5 day of theevent, and I have to confess that I am follingthe PIANO and VIOLIN competition at the same time. To be honest with you all, I have not hear yet anybody on the PIANO competition who has taken my breath away... but in the Violin section........ at least 3 OUTSTANDING boys. In Piano... I am not soo sure. What is your General opinion up to today. By the way, I am downloading all LIVE brodcasts, and I can see them again, and I have missed a few pianists. If you think that there a particular I should hear agian, plesae let me know.

domingo196
18.06.2007, 00:30
Dear Boris, YES !!! Nikita Borisoglebsky is his name. What a terrific player. His posture, his concept and phrases, and all............. wonderful. The Best so far, I think. THe piano department is looking a bit "soft" nothing of GRAND GRAND QUality (I mean like the old School) - what do you guys think.

boris
18.06.2007, 04:25
I haven't heard him myself - too busy maintaining everything here and my on my main job, unfortunately...

Concerning the piano section - you know, I must say there are some good guys like Andrei Korobeinikov and Miroslav Kultishev... Not that I really mean to mark them as the "old school", but I guess they can do the job...

Anyway, lets see what will happen in the piano department tomorrow - they gonna decide who will go on... I guess we gonna be surprised.

mmm_milk_tw
18.06.2007, 15:17
Dear domingo196,Can you tell me how to download LIVE brodcasts?Thanks!

FredericShowpan
19.06.2007, 08:44
Is this competition fair?



When aspiring musicians enter a music competition, they do so on the understanding that the organizers will make their best effort to ensure that the results are fair. Music competitions should be fair. The results should be based on the talent of the competitors, not on whom they studied with, and not on their nationality.

Of the pianists who were accepted into round two of the current competition, 14 out of 20 are Russian. That's 70%. Yet only 46% of the competitors in round one were Russian. To put it another way, of the Russian competitors in round one, 66% were admitted into round two. Of the non-Russian competitors in round one, only 24% were admitted to round two. Could this be a mere coincidence?

Looking back over the entire history of this competition, nine Russians have received or shared the top prize, compared with only six non-Russians.

Among the current competitors, I have also noticed that some of the non-Russians who have been admitted into round two have previously studied in Russia. I cannot say if there is a pattern here, because I have not checked the background of all the competitors.

Nonetheless, this competition certainly seems to favor Russians. This is not as it should be, and here is why:

If this competition is biased, then it could create the impression that Russia is not a fair country. Is that the kind of impression that Russians want to make on the international community?


If this competition is biased, then talented competitors who lack Russian connections are being cheated.


If this competition is biased, then it will gradually lose credibility. Perhaps it is already widely recognized as being unfair, but this is a new realization for me, and it may be for other contestants and spectators as well.

I propose that if this competition is going to blatantly favor Russians, then the name should be changed from the International Tchaikovsky Competition to the Russian Tchaikovsky Competition.

It would be nice if we could keep politics out of music. Does anyone know of any international piano competitions that are truly international? Your comments are welcome.

беглец с ноева ковчега
19.06.2007, 09:02
Of the pianists who were accepted into round two of the current competition, 14 out of 20 are Russian. That's 70%. Yet only 46% of the competitors in round one were Russian. To put it another way, of the Russian competitors in round one, 66% were admitted into round two. Of the non-Russian competitors in round one, only 24% were admitted to round two. Could this be a mere coincidence?



The judgement, as the results show us, was rather fair, proper, predictable and yet predicted.
Take a look at the russian section of this forum, and find out for yourself.

Whos fault is that Russians are better prepared, better self-motivated, better and more intensively supported by the relatives friends and fans, and in most cases just more talented if you wish?

As personaly for me I will indeed miss two foreigners in the second round - Fumio Kawamura and John Chen, and jne brilliant Russian youngster - Pavel Kolesnikov.

But, lets state once again - the judgement on this competition is surprisingly fair, thus the results of the first round are unsurprisingly pleasing and foretold.

domingo196
19.06.2007, 11:09
To FredericShowpan: Competitions are not fair. There is plenty of Politics and personal relations among the jury and piano houses etc, as to not be fair 100%. Now, they "tend" to be as fair as possible and the first price is almost never given to the person who deserves to win the competition. Usually the "other" prices are better and much more loved from the audience. At the end of the day, it is the audience that counts. Well, to be honest I don't belive that anymore, as Audiences are becoming more and more ignorant, then the payers they applaud are becoming more and more mediocre, but that is another subject. Now, this is a Russian Competition and the Russians have ALWAYS been better (in general) than the rest of the pianists in the west. They have a REAL COMMITMENT to make it happen. To make the "music making" "better" and superior and to reach higher limits. They are far less concerned with fame and the products of "the west" that they "tend" to focus in the music making process much more. Now, I can send you my live recordings of THIS competition and you can clearly see WHY the 14 Russians were admitted into he second round. In fact, I think that not all 20 should have been admitted. I think we could have done with 15.The Russinas have always been better in many disciplines. Music is one of them. Having said that, I belive that the YAMAHA corporation has a very STRONG influence in the competition and in the piano department, I belive that they can and have influenced the resutls of the last 2 competitions, from where the first prices have been a disaster. For example, the 2002 winner of the Piano Competition Ayako Uehara is a mere "good pianist" but nothing exceptional. I remind you that in the world of music, it is NOT the "normal" or the "regular" people who we enjoy. We all (I think) are looking for that exceptional moment when the artists takes us away. That does not happens very often nowadays. So, if they are unable to take the audience away.......... then they should not be there. The competitions are mainly to showcase your talent and every participant should take them as an stage to show the world what they can do. And, finally, in the music "thing" either you can, or you cannot. There are not "in between".

беглец с ноева ковчега
19.06.2007, 12:07
Ayako Uehara is a mere "good pianist" .

You have got to be joking me here, pal!

I'd rather see her as a role model for any evil hero in xentai cartoon series, than on stage of truly beautiful Bolshoi Zal.

Boris BG
19.06.2007, 12:23
domingo196, I'm trying to download the live broadcasts too, but I started on Sunday only. Could I download your earlier recordings?

Thanks

domingo196
19.06.2007, 12:49
No Boris. I am using the HighDonwload program. Very easy to use but not, we cannot download the past days. I have a few days, but its hard to get up in the morning. But the SECOND ROUND of VIOLIN and PIANO I will get even if I have to sleep next to the computer. I insist that the Violin is looking much better. Shishkov Artem was a revelation I think. But I will stop talking about the Violin here. I will really pay attention to the Piano second round and maybe even get my visas ready, in case I decide to go to the finals. Jose

domingo196
19.06.2007, 13:34
She is just pain "mere" which is not a complement. Mere good, in my opinion, is worse than bad. A Bad pianist is at least bad and we all know if bad. A "mre good" who thinks is great, is worse. I think, but I agree with you.

yalishanda
19.06.2007, 17:46
It is is interesting to follow the discussions on this site and to listen to the musiicians over the internet (Thanks for the link to the media player, Boris!) Unfortunately my Russian is not good enough to bother you all with badly expressed postings in Russian language, especially since my computer has no character set in Russian, but I can understand almost everything what is said.

The question if the competition is fair to those who take part in it, is certainly an important question! Is it worth spending thousands of hours to prepare for a competition and then just being neglected or unfairly treated? I fear that this is the case, but it is not the problem of the Moscow Tchaikovsky Competition, but for almost any competition. The problem begins already in the preselection, and there, in most cases, the question of relationship with the right teachers is simply very important. No need to blame those students who decide to chose their teacher not only for for artistic reasons, but in regard to a future competition. They know that for a successful career one needs more than talent. I remember when I still lived in Germany, it was said that almost every ambitious piano student should absolutely go to Hannover, where most of the 'competition-professionals' are teaching. In the auditions before a competition, where obviously very interesting young musicians take part, many are simply not considered. Well, that is pure normality. I am living in China since a few years, a country with many incredibly talented people and very high interest in competitions. Here people talk very openly about 'useful' or 'not useful' teachers. A Jury member is always 'useful'. I assure you, this is not very pleasant and I understand all those who do not want to have anything to do with a competition, may they be teachers or students.
This is one side of the medal. Now, we also should give credit to those competitors who actually take part in such an event! For many people it is hard to imagine how much stress lasts on those who enter the stage. It is easy to blame someone for mistakes or a weaker performance. I find it remarkable that in the Russian forum of this side many people have a very good sense of discrimination, and make very fine distinction between 'purely professional' execution or 'musicianship', etc. Personally I like to enjoy listening without needing to decide who is best. I regret a bit that the choice of people is so narrow. The piano literature is so rich, even among Beethoven's Sonatas there are some you never hear, not to mention about contemporary piano music. But the choice of a program is also rather a question of the above discussed circumstances in a competition. A live perfomance is always non-predictable. This means, one who plays badly today may play divinely tomorrow, or vice versa. Many of the very best musicians sometimes play so awfully bad, they are no machines. Easy case: forget the bad performances keep in mind the wonderful things people can do.

Last not least: A music competition is like a sports event, but rather like a sports event where you have no stop watches to measure precisely and indiscriminately. Numerous competitors and amateurs of music will not agree with many decisions. But in a competition everybody knows what he/she is up to. Taking part means playing by those rules. At the end be a sportsman/sportswoman and congratulate the winner!

Nitchego.

Keiko
19.06.2007, 22:07
Do you all think the age of the participants may influence jury members' decision making?

For example, she is too young to win, or he has matured and is successful already, etc....:roll:

domingo196
19.06.2007, 22:12
If a pianist is good, they will raise to the top. That USED to be the rule. Winner of a competition or not. Now, is all more complicated, and its all about marketing. Look at LANG LANG (I think that is his name) terrific marketing for a good, solid player, but not for a "out of this world" pianist. Volodos has not the same marketing machine with him, but is much better (limited repertoire, in my opinion) - I think it is WORTH to spend the time and money on competitiions. Yes. They will showcase their talent to an audiencce who (in my opinion) still knows what they are talking about before they have to go and play to audiences who are merely mediocre and who cannot tell the difference betwen the good and the great.

Hannover still a terrific place for pianist, but not the only one.

I find it remarkable that in the Russian forum of this side many people have a very good sense of discrimination, and make very fine distinction between 'purely professional' execution or 'musicianship', etc.

This is the way it should be.

A live perfomance is always non-predictable.

Yes and not. A live performance from a well prepared performer will mot probably be a good performance.


Last not least: A music competition is like a sports event, but rather like a sports event where you have no stop watches to measure precisely and indiscriminately. Numerous competitors and amateurs of music will not agree with many decisions. But in a competition everybody knows what he/she is up to. Taking part means playing by those rules. At the end be a sportsman/sportswoman and congratulate the winner!

We DO NOT want stop watches to measure "anything" to that degree of precision. Music making is not a precise science. In China perhaps, you can train 10000 pianists to play at the same time. But THANK GOD that there are personalities, heart and love for music.

Keiko
19.06.2007, 22:29
I always wonder if the participants have a desire to win the "fame" by coming to the competition. Winning will lead to get more opportuniies to perform at internationally recognized venus, and it will bring more money.

Then, participants should show their professional capacity, consistancy, and the jury members should see them if they can survive as professional performers to satisfy any audience everywhere on this planet.

One artice about the big piano boom in China I read recently indicates that Chinese parents see it as internationally recognized career path for their "I like piano." children.

If being a favourite student of this teacher, or that seems to be a big influence, it is all about marketing power, maybe. My former question about participants' age relates with this point, too. Would the prizes go to the matured performance, or more potential individuals?

domingo196
20.06.2007, 10:15
I always wonder if the participants have a desire to win the "fame" by coming to the competition. Winning will lead to get more opportuniies to perform at internationally recognized venus, and it will bring more money.

Well............... I think that competitions are judges from their past. THe music competitions in general are very poud of their 30 years ago "past" and they build on this. The Tchaikovsdky competition would NEVER "advertise" names like Ayako Uehara. THey will always use the grand names for promotion and the students want to participate. Its normal.

Then, participants should show their professional capacity, consistancy, and the jury members should see them if they can survive as professional performers to satisfy any audience everywhere on this planet.

That is the point. but lets not forget that an audience in China will not have the same standars as one in Japan or Paris.

One artice about the big piano boom in China I read recently indicates that Chinese parents see it as internationally recognized career path for their "I like piano." children.

Lets not get into CHinal That is a country that only as "masses" of things and people. Very few exeptions and "individual cases". Everything in China is "en mase". Its my opinion.

If being a favourite student of this teacher, or that seems to be a big influence, it is all about marketing power, maybe. My former question about participants' age relates with this point, too. Would the prizes go to the matured performance, or more potential individuals?

You can be a favourite of your teacher, but if you don't play well, people in competitions will not applaud. As sinple as that.

domingo196
20.06.2007, 13:08
Nikolay Arnoldovich Petrov, president of the Jury spend a lot time looking at his nails and at his hands and his nose during the performance of Andrey Korobejnikov. It looked very bad, and as if he was not (and he was not) paying any attention. Somebody has to tell this guy he is on TV.

domingo196
20.06.2007, 13:18
:appl:Very good and solid performance. Yes, his Schubert was not German enough, in my opinion. It is a very difficult piece, from the intellectual point of view. His arrangement of the Musorgsky piece was VERY CREATIVE and wonder if he has done the complete cycle. Very good. His Dumka was beautiful, very well phrased and very poetic. Terrific. The performances would have been much better if Mr Nikolay Petrov would have given him the chance to finish the preludes, all of which were played in a magnificent conception. Bravo. I guess the break was more important than to leave a VERY GOOD pianist the chance to bring his performance to the end. Pity. And please, tell him to stop picking his nose on OK - Jose

domingo196
20.06.2007, 14:01
Well, I have to confess he has improved since the Chopin Piano Competition. He is predictable good. All the notes are there, and the spirit too. However, I can still able to see (at least me) that he is a bit "foreing" to the pieces and to music in General. He also tends to "run" at the end of the pieces. His Chopin Sonata was very nice and "correct" but it laked the "soul". Same with the Prokofiev. Everything he played was good. Even VERY GOOD. But it had no "soul". Tchaikovsky was the best of everything. Anybody cares to comment. Jose. Have to go to the dentist.

creature
21.06.2007, 08:23
It's a pity you've missed The performance of I.Wunder from Austria - his Mozart was.... you know what it is when every sound is alive!

domingo196
21.06.2007, 09:21
I fail to see and hear the "Wunder" "Wunder". He is veery popular in Warsaw (specially with women and girls) - Very handsome man. Should be advertising Hugo Bose or Calvin Klein underwear. But as pianist ..... he is just not my cup ot tea. Jose

domingo196
21.06.2007, 15:20
Come people. Lets talk. Terrific performances so far. All of them. :appl:

Irynka
21.06.2007, 16:44
I fail to see and hear the "Wunder" "Wunder". He is veery popular in Warsaw (specially with women and girls) - Very handsome man. Should be advertising Hugo Bose or Calvin Klein underwear. But as pianist ..... he is just not my cup ot tea. Jose


What do mean by that? Wunder is very talented musician. He has his own style of performing. It is even a complement for him that he can work for thous famous brands as a model and to be a great pianist at the same time :)
So if it is not your cup of tea - then it's definitely smb's else cup of tee!!!!!

Irynka
21.06.2007, 16:49
Come people. Lets talk. Terrific performances so far. All of them. :appl:

How did you like Lubyantsev? The guy who played Liszt b minor,Chopin and Skrjabin 5th at the and?
He was amazing! his touching has something really special and magical!!!
I enjoyed his performance a lot.
By the way, did you listen to the girl last night ? She played Liszt also. What do you think?Whom did you like better?

Achilles
21.06.2007, 17:08
Somebody has to tell this guy he is on TV.



As far as TV appearences are concerned, I can assure you that Mr. Petrov has more experience than you'll ever acquire.

Why don't you actually concentrate on the performances instead of criticising him?

Mr. Piano
21.06.2007, 17:46
How did you like Lubyantsev? The guy who played Liszt b minor,Chopin and Skrjabin 5th at the and?
He was amazing! his touching has something really special and magical!!!
I enjoyed his performance a lot.
By the way, did you listen to the girl last night ? She played Liszt also. What do you think?Whom did you like better?

I think he was amazing too. He is my favorite for finale. You think
Liszt of Kozlova? Lubyantsev s Liszt was better. Definitly.:appl:

domingo196
21.06.2007, 18:31
Lubyantsev was simply outstanding. It was even electrifying. I like Kozlova since 2005, when I heard her in the Chopin Competition. Her Lizt had a very ROUND sound. I like her sound much better than Lubyantsev. but they are both WONDERFUL. I have enjoy them both. My problem is that I thik I have overdose on Piano. I went to the Queen Eliuzabeth a few weeks ago, and I am paying more attention to the Violini competition. I am simply overhelmed with Nikita Borisoglebskiy and Manuela Janke Yuki. These 2 are so wonderful I think they should be making love and having children. Same with Olga and Lubyantsev. Jose -

domingo196
21.06.2007, 18:36
Dear Friends,

I have made a site where I will have all performances of the PIANO and VIOLIN competition for you to download. You can click on your favorite competitor and hear their performances again, or you can download. I suggest you download the performances and save them in your computer, as this will give chance to more and more people to get into the site. I am expecting hundreds of people trying to do it. Please check in about 3 more hours.

www.arteandtravel.com (http://www.arteandtravel.com/)

If somebody could please scan the VIOLIN program, please send it to me and I will post it. I have made a PDF of the Piano program for you all to enjoy. Happy watching.

domingo196
21.06.2007, 18:37
Dear Friends,

I have made a site where I will have all performances of the PIANO and VIOLIN competition for you to download. You can click on your favorite competitor and hear their performances again, or you can download. I suggest you download the performances and save them in your computer, as this will give chance to more and more people to get into the site. I am expecting hundreds of people trying to do it. Please check in about 3 more hours.

www.arteandtravel.com (http://www.arteandtravel.com/)

If somebody could please scan the VIOLIN program, please send it to me and I will post it. I have made a PDF of the Piano program for you all to enjoy. Happy watching.

Irynka
21.06.2007, 20:13
Dear Friends,

I have made a site where I will have all performances of the PIANO and VIOLIN competition for you to download. You can click on your favorite competitor and hear their performances again, or you can download. I suggest you download the performances and save them in your computer, as this will give chance to more and more people to get into the site. I am expecting hundreds of people trying to do it. Please check in about 3 more hours.



www.arteandtravel.com (http://www.arteandtravel.com/)



If somebody could please scan the VIOLIN program, please send it to me and I will post it. I have made a PDF of the Piano program for you all to enjoy. Happy watching.




That is so nice of you! I am so appreciate that! Thanks!!!!
But i am afraid something wrong with my PC or... I don't know.After i clicked on name it sent me to the Google search...What should I do?

беглец с ноева ковчега
21.06.2007, 20:32
Why don't you actually concentrate on the performances instead of criticising him?

That must not surprise you, my Brother.

People always need something to talk about.

Today it is Nikolai Petrov, tomorrow it is Brittneys new hair style.

Clotho
21.06.2007, 21:13
VIOLIN program already scanned

http://www.forumklassika.ru/showthread.php?t=19134

domingo196
21.06.2007, 22:57
Well, I know that everybody in Russia probably holds Mr Petrov as a kind of god, but he has to show some respect for the performers. He may be the president and BECAUSE he is the presidnet he is expected to at least "look" as to be paying attention and to "care" about these pianists who are putting their lifes on the line here. This competition means plenty to them. When the files are finally uploaded on the site you can go back and take a look how he spend time looking at his hands and picking his nose. In the west, that is considered very bulgar and the last time I was in Russia, at least in Moscow and SPB, it not consider "nice" to do it. He has an WORLD public image now. Not only in Russia. Thousands of people around the world are watching this competition and he has to behave to "World-standards" - Jose - How do you think that persons like Madame Nakamura fell about shaking his hand after that performance? - Respect, even if you are the president.

And as far as Brittneys hair due. You cannot possibly be serios in bringin her to this forum.

domingo196
21.06.2007, 23:00
just give it about 3 more hours. It takes a long time to upload.

http://arteandtravel.com/




That is so nice of you! I am so appreciate that! Thanks!!!!
But i am afraid something wrong with my PC or... I don't know.After i clicked on name it sent me to the Google search...What should I do?

tataludwig75
21.06.2007, 23:57
Dear Friends,

I have made a site where I will have all performances of the PIANO and VIOLIN competition for you to download. You can click on your favorite competitor and hear their performances again, or you can download. I suggest you download the performances and save them in your computer, as this will give chance to more and more people to get into the site. I am expecting hundreds of people trying to do it. Please check in about 3 more hours.



www.arteandtravel.com (http://www.arteandtravel.com/)

Thanks a lot, Domingo. What a great idea and more a great realisation !

A friend from Paris

domingo196
22.06.2007, 01:35
http (http://www.arteandtravel.com/Program%20Piano.pdf)

boris
22.06.2007, 02:10
Well, I know that everybody in Russia probably holds Mr Petrov as a kind of godNot exactly, in fact. I wouldn't want to discuss Petrov's personality right away - there's enough said about him in the Russian part of the forum. 8) I would just mention that there are other gods. As far as I understand at least.

yalishanda
22.06.2007, 04:34
First of all: Thanks, domingo196, providing us with the
videos of the live performances! Many of us really appreciate this! Unfortunately I can not be online as much as I like, so my late reply to your interesting comment:
you said:

If a pianist is good, they will raise to the top.

Hmm.... I think this is one of the common places I found, reading the overall discussion, or rather wishful thinking. Quite a few things must come together to make it to the 'top'. (Another question would be to define what that 'top' is)

That USED to be the rule. Winner of a competition or not. Now, is all more complicated, and its all about marketing. Look at LANG LANG (I think that is his name) terrific marketing for a good, solid player, but not for a "out of this world" pianist. Volodos has not the same marketing machine with him, but is much better (limited repertoire, in my opinion)

If you allow: that has never been the rule! Maybe one could consider that it was perhaps a bit easier to be recognized when you had talent, because you had not to deal with a globalized market. You just name two examples yourself: LANG LANG and VOLODOS. I do not want to compare them, they are both enormously talented. You may regret that Lang Lang is more successful (commercially) than Volodos. So, you see yourself that in times of a global market the music industry needs more reasons to push a player to the peaks of fame than only the talent. Advertisement is very expensive. Chinese market is apparently important now. Still, Volodos enjoys a great career, he has concerts, and makes a living of it, he can and will hopefully be able to go for his artistic goals, which is even more important.

- I think it is WORTH to spend the time and money on competitiions. Yes. They will showcase their talent to an audiencce who (in my opinion) still knows what they are talking about before they have to go and play to audiences who are merely mediocre and who cannot tell the difference betwen the good and the great.

I am very sorry:
1. it is perhaps worth to spend the money, but you should HAVE enough of that money, otherwise you face (not always, but in most cases) big obstacles, especially nowdays, or you have parents like those of Lang Lang, who (for some reason) decide to invest their whole existence to make a success possible. But we only hear about Lang Lang. There are many such parents from rather not too wealthy families, who were not so lucky.
2. It is rather a pity, that you would make a difference between an expert public and those which are 'mediocre', as you say. Who really can for sure tell the difference between 'good' and 'great'?

Hannover still a terrific place for pianist, but not the only one.

Well, I did not criticize Hannover. I mentioned it as an example for the way people are making a choice of teacher, a way of strategic thinking. If you want to make a competition and be successful, then go to those places where the competition animals are. I did not criticize those who proceed this way, it is their choice and it is the way part of the competition-mechanism works.

Yes and not. A live performance from a well prepared performer will mot probably be a good performance.

Yes, a well prepared musician will in most cases play very well. Still, one never knows. Especially there are things which can not be planned ahead (and should not (!) because they would be fake): the emotions. One can not know how inspiredly one will play on a given moment.

We DO NOT want stop watches to measure "anything" to that degree of precision. Music making is not a precise science. In China perhaps, you can train 10000 pianists to play at the same time. But THANK GOD that there are personalities, heart and love for music
.
Hmm.... of course not. It is no science. And this is the reason why we can have endless discussions and thousands of opinions. Wonderful! No need always to agree! Otherwise we would not have those discussions in a forum like this one. Would not be fun here if we all shared the same opinions all the time, right?

Concerning your little hint about Chinas 10000 pianists: You do not seriously think that a country (dis)qualifies by such kind of events, like having a few hundred pianists play some Blue Rhapsodies in an Olympic Stadion? Many countries have such DADA-events! However, in most places people like to express themselves individually, also in China.

'Hearts and minds' .... Sure, I suppose everybody has.

Best Greetings

theProject
22.06.2007, 12:06
Jose, I might be able to help with the file-splitting. The problem is that I primarily work with WMV formats and I'm not sure whether I can actually output something in AVI or ASF, if that's all right by you.

Thanks for doing this.

Eugene

domingo196
22.06.2007, 12:43
I AM having problems with my server. It is a small server and I have a small quota and I was never thinking I would try to upload such a big files. I am trying my best and it will be up and running BEFORE the competition is over and I will leave files there for about 3 months (the summer)

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Many interesting poins in our comments. But I can tell you something in ma case and ini my life. One of the main reasons why I look forward to another day in my life (iin general) is because WE (a few of us) can tell the difference betwen the god and the great. I live for the "great moments". The good are like "every day wine, at lunch". But the great are those rare bottles that we only open in special occasions.

And I think we have to agree that there are audiences that cannot tell this difference. There are mediocre players for meriocre audiences. Like "generic pianists" for "generic audiences". That is fine, for the "other peopel. I belong to the very selected few. Thank god and if can tell the difference you too. THere is nothing in beeing "normal", just not me. Jose.
Now, back to uploading (tryint) with another FPT program. I get stuck after 85MB

Achilles
22.06.2007, 14:03
That must not surprise you, my Brother.

People always need something to talk about.

Today it is Nikolai Petrov, tomorrow it is Brittneys new hair style.


I guess you're right my dear... As always...

Achilles
22.06.2007, 14:04
Not exactly, in fact. I wouldn't want to discuss Petrov's personality right away - there's enough said about him in the Russian part of the forum. 8) I would just mention that there are other gods. As far as I understand at least.


Go listen to his recording of Liszt's "Don Juan" fantasy...

Irynka
22.06.2007, 16:47
Go listen to his recording of Liszt's "Don Juan" fantasy...

Sometimes I have this kind of feeling... that YOU ARE Mr. Petrov ...:)
Tell us the truth !!!!:solution:

domingo196
22.06.2007, 17:44
Ok friends. My site will not let me upload more than 85MB for each file. So, I will upload AUDIO ONLY on the arteandtravel.com site starting this evening, around midnight Moscow time. The VIDEOS will be on another site, I am almost finish uploading them, but they are large files. VERY LARGE. If somebody can downloaad them it will take about 1 hour per competitor, but its worth it, belive me because you can live and re live the experience. I will do this on Piano and Violin. Jose. Best.

domingo196
22.06.2007, 18:22
Go listen to his recording of Liszt's "Don Juan" fantasy...

I have not heard his Don Juan recording, or any other. I am not saying he is not a good pianist. Maybe he is. But if his best recording is a Liszt Don Juan piece, that does NOT speak very well of his playing. How about his Beethoven, Mozart and Back. That is what counts. A delighful Schubert, and profund Schumman or a electro-shock Scriabin. Don Juan......... well, nice. I am mentioning he not paying attention. This mornig, he was sleep during Dennis S performance. Which bay the way, was incredible good.

беглец с ноева ковчега
22.06.2007, 19:34
An issue of Nikolai petrov the pianist does indeed require a much more thorough and detailed analysis.

Let me spill some light upon this for those of you who don't know.

Back in 1970-80, the period when Nikolai Petrovs art reached its absolute peak, I would have considered him to be one of the brightest artists of the time. Some of the recordings he made back then are still among my favorites.
Just to mention a few:
Saint-Saens-Bizet: A solo piano redention of 2-nd piano concerto
Yuri Falik: Paganini Variations.
Shumann: Paganini Etudes

Those and many others of his tremendously huge repertoire are (were)ingenious.

Although ever since then we do observe a downwarding slope of his piano art. One of the reasons why that is happening I think is too much extra weight, which partly disables and limits his ability to move and along the keyboard as well.

But a couple of years ago he delivered a surpisinly fresh and clean performance jf Rachmaninoffs opus 43 in Bolshoi Zal of The Conservatory.

Some of his early recordings are available in the internet.
Don't hesitate to look for them.
Satisfaction is guaranteed.

domingo196
22.06.2007, 22:03
I have never saied that he was a bad pianist. I do not know him. We are a world apart from your standars of music making (here in the west). We only dream of what you have in reality. However, Achiles suggested a Don Juan recording and I am not about to bend-over for a Don Juan. But I will for Beethoven, etc. I just wanted to bring to your attention what I considerED not very respecful during one of the performances.

Keiko
22.06.2007, 22:04
Has anyone watched Denis Evstukhin's 2nd round performance all through?
I thought he was doing a great job, but I had to leave in the middle.....

I was wondering if he would able to fit all the pieces within 60 min. time limit. Did he?

domingo196
23.06.2007, 00:39
Yes he did. He finished all pieces, and if Mr Petrov would have ask him to stop, I think the public would have burned the hall. He was "simply" SPLENDID (in my opinion) - Today was a day to remember. I just re liostened his Haydn again, it was beautiful, playful and yet serious. It was very good. His Schostakovicht was excelent and Rachmaninov outstanding, but specially the Schostakovich, the Tchaikovsky sounded, at the end as a child who did not drink enough milk. It needed GAS (Petrol) - But the first 2 were full of glorious ways in which he connected the phrases together. Very musical (again, this is ONLY my opinion). But the best was his Sonata. The slow movement. I only remember it was like the most wonderful, sweet, poetic, romantic and melodic HURRICANE ever. It was electrifying.

Lizhen
23.06.2007, 09:29
domingo196 (http://www.forumklassika.ru/member.php?u=14206) :I just wanted to bring to your attention what I considerED not very respecful during one of the performances.

ABSOLUTELY TO THE POINT!:appl: I feel it is a shame that anyone other than performers are getting attention at this moment, like watching peaceful nap of Mr Petrov during competitor's playing.

P.S. Thank you soooo much for putting all those audios together. You doing the great job, in fact, you are the only one who made the performances available for download AFAIK. I can finally get some sleep and still watch everything :fan:

Keiko
24.06.2007, 02:04
Yes he did. He finished all pieces, and if Mr Petrov would have ask him to stop, I think the public would have burned the hall. He was "simply" SPLENDID (in my opinion) - Today was a day to remember. I just re liostened his Haydn again, it was beautiful, playful and yet serious. It was very good. His Schostakovicht was excelent and Rachmaninov outstanding, but specially the Schostakovich, the Tchaikovsky sounded, at the end as a child who did not drink enough milk. It needed GAS (Petrol) - But the first 2 were full of glorious ways in which he connected the phrases together. Very musical (again, this is ONLY my opinion). But the best was his Sonata. The slow movement. I only remember it was like the most wonderful, sweet, poetic, romantic and melodic HURRICANE ever. It was electrifying.
Oh, Mr Domingo...THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I am so happy to hear that his performance was not cut off before he finished, and YES he did an amazing job. I was so impressed with his presence at thepiano and his music. I really hope that I will get to see his performance more & more in the futher rounds.

domingo196
24.06.2007, 02:33
Yes, I am listening now to his performance againi and again. He was VEY GOOD. His Haydn was very beautiful and his Rachmaninof outstanding. He HAS to be in the FINALS. I think that we should have these people in the finals:

Kultyshev Miroslav
Lubyantsev Alexandr
Evstukhin Denis
Korobejnikov Andrey
Kuznetsov Sergey
Yamamoto Akiko

How many are going to to the finals. Do we know that.

беглец с ноева ковчега
24.06.2007, 10:26
Here is the list of participants that I would like to see in the finals.

Korobeinikov
Lim
Kuznetsov
Moser
Babanov
Amirov

domingo196
24.06.2007, 10:38
Good mornign. Do you know how many we will have in the finals. That is the number.

I would like to see:

Miroslav Kultyshev
Alexandr Lubyantsev
DenisEvstukhin
Banjamin Moser

TBromley
24.06.2007, 12:08
Thanks domingo196 (http://www.forumklassika.ru/member.php?u=14206) for all the work you have done making the audio and videos of the competition available to us. I downloaded the Alexandr Lubyantsev performance but when i tried to download the Evstukhin Denis it would not work and said "You have already used your downloads for the month".
If http://www.mediamax.com/Images/imgTransPixel.gifthe current website does not work it might be an idea to upload the files at http://en.swoopshare.com where you can upload files up to 500mb for free, they can be downloaded any number of times and will remain available for a month. You could then post the links to them on this on this forum.

domingo196
24.06.2007, 16:58
I spend DAYS collecting all this data and somebody went into the site and erased the AUDIO files. Sorry guys. I will have to close this. Contact me by email PRIVATELY if you want to know the new site where I will place the fies.

Lizhen
24.06.2007, 19:46
I just wanted to bring to your attention what I considerED not very respecful during one of the performances.

ABSOLUTELY TO THE POINT!:appl: I feel it is a shame that anyone other than performers are getting attention at this moment, like watching peaceful nap of Mr Petrov during competitor's playing.

P.S. Thank you soooo much for putting all those audios together. You doing the great job, in fact, you are the only one who made the performances available for download AFAIK. I can finally get some sleep and still watch everything :fan:

Mr. Piano
24.06.2007, 21:30
I would like to see:

A. Lubyantsev
M. Kultyshev
A. Korobejnikov
H. Lim Dong
B. Moser
E. Zakharenkova
:appl:
We will see.

domingo196
25.06.2007, 00:49
Anybody has the live recording of Kultyshev Miroslav. My internet connection was not too good that day, and the overall quality (never great) was worse that day. Please help. Thank you.

Aleksandr
25.06.2007, 02:10
Anybody has the live recording of Kultyshev Miroslav. My internet connection was not too good that day, and the overall quality (never great) was worse that day. Please help. Thank you.
http://rapidshare.com/files/38764338/kultushev.mp3

domingo196
25.06.2007, 04:00
This is of MUCH better queality of what I have. THANK YOU !!!!!!
Jose

domingo196
25.06.2007, 05:14
WHen do they accnounce the results of II tour?

Aleksandr
25.06.2007, 05:23
http://www.forumklassika.ru/showthread.php?t=19487
Lim Dong Hyek
Lubyantsev
Kultyshev
Sobolev
Moser
Amirov

theProject
25.06.2007, 05:23
They're already out, I think.

As a result of voting in III round have passed:

7. Lim Dong Hek (Republic of Korea)
17. Alexander Lubjantsev (Russia)
30. Miroslav Kultishev (Russia)
32. Sergey Sobolev (Russia)
33. Benjamin Moser (Germany)
40. Fedor Amirov (Russia)

Eugene

domingo196
25.06.2007, 14:20
In the name of the Gods Apollo and Venus

What are LIM and AMIROV doing here????
They should have been
Evstukhin or Kuznetsov

Lim Dong Hek (Republic of Korea)
Alexander Lubjantsev (Russia)
Miroslav Kultishev (Russia)
Sergey Sobolev (Russia)
Benjamin Moser (Germany)
Fedor Amirov (Russia)

but besides Amirov and Lim, I LOVE THE SELECTION. !!!!!!
the Russians rule, and by the way, Moser was BORN in Germany. I think his parents are both Israelis from Russian origin. So, one more Russian. It is the blood that counts, not the passport. RUSSIAN RULE - Now, please listen to the Violinist MAYUKO on the violin competition. THere are no words to describe it.

Keiko
25.06.2007, 20:08
[quote=domingo196;337738]In the name of the Gods Apollo and Venus

What are LIM and AMIROV doing here????
They should have been
Evstukhin or Kuznetsov

Domingo,

I totaly agree with you! 100%!

Lim made me nervous while watching.
Amirov was a bit too eccntric here and there for me.
(There fingers moved so well, though. I admit...)

Evstukhin and Kuznetsov played so sincerely on stage and it made me move so much (emotionally). They also have a natural gift to do so. If they come to my town for concerts, I WILL GO!
I may even fly to Russia to go to their concerts.

Hope that they will have a great career and future as pianists ahead.
Evstukhin and Kuznetsov, GOOD JOB and THANK YOU!:fan::appl:

(If the official DVD come out for sale, would they be included??????
<<<<<<<OH,PLEASE>>>>>

Shakti
25.06.2007, 21:03
In my opinion, Miroslav Kultyshev is the best!
Do you agree?

BrowninG
25.06.2007, 23:17
Dear Jose,
Thank you for the great job!
I regret to say, some of links specified to the mp3files on your site doesn't work properly - the audios of Zakharenkova and Salov seemed to be not available.
Please, advise if you try to reclaim these ones.
Thank you

hatul
28.06.2007, 02:04
the Russians rule, and by the way, Moser was BORN in Germany. I think his parents are both Israelis from Russian origin. So, one more Russian. It is the blood that counts, not the passport.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::oops: How long have you thaught about, to come to this genious idea???

I know Benjamin for very long time and I ensure you, he is not at all jewish and even less russian.

His mother is from Canada and his father is really german MOSER.

Bravo!

беглец с ноева ковчега
28.06.2007, 02:10
In my opinion, Miroslav Kultyshev is the best!
Do you agree?

well, thank you very much for this informative and interesting insight, but don't forget to save some stamina for the russian section of the forum. That is were you will need it if you dare to state something like this.

Keiko
28.06.2007, 09:28
In my opinion, Miroslav Kultyshev is the best!
Do you agree?

I have just listened to his playing, and YES, he is VERY VERY GOOD!
I have not listened to Moser, yet....

Russians are just so amazing!

Shakti
29.06.2007, 12:05
well, thank you very much for this informative and interesting insight, but don't forget to save some stamina for the russian section of the forum. That is were you will need it if you dare to state something like this.
My dear, please no hard feelings!:angel:
I think you should mind your own business, I've just uttered my honest opinion regarding brilliant Miroslav,he really turns me on:love:, does it bother you?:roll:
What is more, I wish Miroslav would win!!:-P He's so talented:appl:
I would be delighted to chat with very nice Keiko, domingo196 and other friends:-)
Well... беглец с ноева ковчега, please keep your shirt on and lay off.:mona:

беглец с ноева ковчега
29.06.2007, 12:36
I think you should mind your own business, :

That is just exactly what I am doing, and have been doing it for past 13 years.



he really turns me on

<skipped>Well, this is not the right place and the best time.

Shakti
29.06.2007, 14:00
<skipped>Well, this is not the right place and the best time.
Sorry, I'm afraid you didn't understand me in this context:-) .
If I'd written " I hang up on him" , it wouldn't be the right place and time,I agree;). I've just written "he turns me on". There is a big difference (and different meanings):-o.
You know...talented playing of my colleagues always turns me on:solution:, not only Kultyshev... it depends.:-)

domingo196
29.06.2007, 15:41
I will fix them when I return home from mz holidaz. I am in London all this week. I love Wilmbledon too.

domingo196
29.06.2007, 15:42
I am sorry. I should have said that I found this information on the internet. I read it onthe internet, but I do not have the klink right now because I am on holidaz. Sorry for this


Dear Jose,
Thank you for the great job!
I regret to say, some of links specified to the mp3files on your site doesn't work properly - the audios of Zakharenkova and Salov seemed to be not available.
Please, advise if you try to reclaim these ones.
Thank you


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::oops: How long have you thaught about, to come to this genious idea???

I know Benjamin for very long time and I ensure you, he is not at all jewish and even less russian.

His mother is from Canada and his father is really german MOSER.

Bravo!

domingo196
02.07.2007, 18:12
Zakharenkova and Salov files are there
I am back from London.

domingo196
02.07.2007, 18:17
now the competition is over. Lets not just "GO AWAY" some of us would like to continue this conversations. Now, who has the finals recordigs of the live streaming. Please tell me that some of you go it. Please.

Скептик
02.07.2007, 18:22
now the competition is over. Lets not just "GO AWAY" some of us would like to continue this conversations. Now, who has the finals recordigs of the live streaming. Please tell me that some of you go it. Please.


Does this mean we can expect that you will post the third round files at some point soon as well? Thanks for the second round, even if the third isn't in the plans. I've directed many friends to that site - those who couldn't hear the competition live!

domingo196
02.07.2007, 19:11
Yes, I will post finals and will fix VIOLIN (second and finals too). I am now back from Wimbledon and have time and I am broke after 10 days in london. I have nothing better to do as to fix the second round piano on WAVE files for better quality sound, I iwll make mp3 of the finals and will fix the whole Violin competition. But I need the ASF media files. I have a way to get them to me, and I will ty to fix.

If ANY OF YOU can make a "torrent" I can myke .iso files for you to burn your own DVDs but I di not know how to make or host a torrent. I will get this done.

domingo196
02.07.2007, 19:15
THANK YOU to classicalmusicnut - Does anybody knows who this person is. He/she has done a great job at posting in YOUTUBE section of the finals and breaking the concerts more or less in the parts where they be broken. I plan to give a much better quality, but this guy knows what he is doing.For example, the video and audio are in perfect synchronization, something I have not been able to do. If we were to work together, perhaps we could help us. I am going to take a siesta.

domingo196
04.07.2007, 03:04
Please tell me that one of you downloaded the finals. Please.

domingo196
04.07.2007, 14:41
Please tell me that some of you have the original streaming videos of the FINALS. Where are you all?

FredericShowpan
05.07.2007, 01:17
Almost all of Dong Hyek's performances are on YouTube.
The only ones missing as far as I know are the first movement of the Appassionata, the first movement of the Chopin Sonata, and the first movement of the Rachmaninoff piano concerto.

Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto Second Movement Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90LrsJJxl8

Second Movement Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlwgIlIaP8M&mode=related&search=

Third Movement Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydyks9VMsKA&mode=related&search=

Third Movement Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcASAPaYa7Q&mode=related&search=


Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto First Movement Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4pSP-PWUd0

First Movement Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cErYVpbQq5w&mode=related&search=

Second Movement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Za6qMo5vo&mode=related&search=

Third Movement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbNNf6abX74&mode=related&search=


Here is where all the Dong Hyek videos are:
http://www.youtube.com/user/clotho83

Or you can go here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=dong%20hyek&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_category=0&search=Search&v=

Two of Miroslav's performances are on YouTube.

They are here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=miroslav+kultyshev&search=

domingo196
08.07.2007, 06:53
Please send your comments to
jose.tp@berlin.de

LimDongHyek --------- THIS FILE IS NOT WORKING - I NEED THE ORIGINAL LIVE STREAM TO MAKE IT WORK - WANT TO HELP?
http://www.box.net/shared/6jg973nmma

Lubyantsev II Round - DVD (DivX format)
http://www.box.net/shared/v3enkrxz3p

Evstukhin II Round - DVD (DivX format)
http://www.box.net/shared/5asif9ai8o

Sobolev - II Round - DVD (DivX format)
http://www.box.net/shared/v3lhn3ommk

Fedor Amirov VIDEO
http://www.box.net/shared/988bn5i7xp

Benjamin Mosser
http://www.box.net/shared/cholntf7ah


For Kultyshev, please read HOW TO BURN AN ISO FILE AT THE END OF THIS POSTING
Kultyshev II ROUND
http://www.box.net/shared/2a9nz3slvu


For Lubyantsev , Evstukhin, Amirov, Sobolev and Mosser, see here

2) Click on the link
3) A new window will appear
4) Click on the name of the pianist of violinist
5) Choose "SAVE" and save the file in your computer (try to remember where you put it)
6) Wait for about 1 hour or sometimes 2
7) After the file is IN YOUR DISK, then you double click and open with Windows Media Player, or any other player that support Divx format.

If you do not know how to go BURN a DVD in your computer, ask a friend for help or record the files on a memory stick and take it to an internet cefe where they can help you.
If you do not know what a Divix file is, please read about it on the internet.
If you do not have a Divx player, don't worry. You can watch the videos on Wimdows Media Player.

If you NOT know NOTHING about computers and want to see these people on your DVD players, take the links to an Internet Cafe and ask them to download and to burn for you.,
They will charge some money, but its worth it.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Kultyshev II ROUND (this is an special .iso file )
http://www.box.net/shared/2a9nz3slvu


(http://www.box.net/shared/9137t1ppq7)HOW TO BURN AN .ISO FILE ON A DVD


1) If you have your software, like NERO or others, then you know what do to. If you have Nero or other burning software but do not what to do, read the manual

If you do not have a burning software, please install this

http://dpaehl.dd6338.kasserver.com/cdr/isoburn.zip (http://dpaehl.dd6338.kasserver.com/cdr/isoburn.zip)

2) Make sure you have a computer with a DVD burner
3) Make sure you have a blank DVD (I use DVD-)
4) If you decide to install the software I recommend here, then you
have to do the following:

Steps to burn an ISO-image with the software I recommend here:

A. Start ISOBurn
B. Choose "Open"
C. Browse to the ISO file you want to burn on cd/dvd
D. Select the ISO file
E. Choose "Burn"

domingo196
09.07.2007, 05:27
OK, boys and girls:

I have had the files up for about 2 days
And these are the amount of downloads:

Evstukhin.divx Downloads: 6209
FedorDivx.divx Downloads: 339
kultusheviso.iso Downloads: 3426
Lubyantsev.divx Downloads: 1094
Manuela.divx Downloads: 2440
Mayuko.divx Downloads: 5104
Mosser.divx Downloads: 963
Nikita Borisoglebskiy.divx Downloads: 1129
Sobolev.divx Downloads: 6233

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